[AsterisK]

ECS, ABS, blah. These don't teach you shit.

Don't blame the car. Blame the driver.

If I had of rolled my Daihatsu Charade when I was 18, doing say 120km on a suburban street, would you blame the car for my death? Or me for being a complete fuckhead?

1. Experience pays - no one can really teach you how retarded other drivers are - and how to handle retarded situations
2. Know how to handle the car in all conditions - including when its out of control
3. Teach kids how dangerous cars can be, make sure they are held responsible and accountable for their actions - news/media/Police can't show you this - in this day and age where kids play video games and kill each other with no remorse, some shocking pictures on the news means shit all. Driving should not be "scary".
4. Driver confidence NEEDS to be evaluated. Unconfident drivers should be banned or be forced to return to their learners. Over confident drivers need to be woken up and shown they are not invincible.

Maybe some contradictory points there... but food for thought nevertheless

[Biza]

depends what s13, late type x's are like 96-97 models with airbag and abs, r32's, yes a vz would be safer then them but the 32's are 20 year old cars now

[HOON69]

i like japans way of thinking
more rego for older cars would force older cars off the road.


i like this idea

[hawkiiie]

well i personaly learnt how to control a car in the wet by having a play in the wet i can feel my car and know exactly when its about to slide and i know how to regain control and i have in a few circumstances regained control after the ass end of my weightless ally tray hilux has steped out on me

and not all p platers are dicks i personaly give way to so many people and i wave at people who let me in at a merge or change lanes and i slow down to let people in for merges and lane changes

but i know im a minority as alot of p platers a c###'s

[LowVp]

i'm going to stop reading on page 1, i'm also a truck driver and regardless of P plates or not the mentality of most people on the road is shit and won't improve until they almost loose there own lives. cars cross intersections in front of me i don't slow down anymore i speed up. people cut me off then brake, i put my bumper in there boot. tail gate me and you can find out how slow my truck can really go.

all in all stupid drivers makes my blood boil



end rant

[Streetcruising Brian]

Ray, on 22 June 2010 - 11:50 AM, said:

14nce, on 22 June 2010 - 10:40 AM, said:

Ray, on 22 June 2010 - 10:33 AM, said:

Ensure P Platers cannot own a car older then 5 years old

the thing with that is not everyone can afford a car under 5 yrs old, unless the government was to subsidise cars for p platers it can never happen. Then at the same time what if the parent/sibling/friend owns the car and the p plater just drives it?

When I was a P plater I could afford a 2 year old AU Falcon

Get a fucken job or dont get a car. Simple.



Or Drive this : http://www.liveleak....=aad_1277121547

Can't agree with you there Ray - Most kids couldn't afford a newer car.

And what about kids going to uni? They have to get there and they usually
have shitty jobs like Maccas on the side to pay the bills. Newer cars are
just not an option.

How about zero tolerance for "P" platers - You get caught once and you are
walking - That is a pretty good incentive to slow down and know and follow
the rules

While we are at it, make a zero tolerance rule for people who are repeat
offenders too

[Streetcruising Brian]

AsterisK, on 22 June 2010 - 03:19 PM, said:

ECS, ABS, blah. These don't teach you shit.

Don't blame the car. Blame the driver.

If I had of rolled my Daihatsu Charade when I was 18, doing say 120km on a suburban street, would you blame the car for my death? Or me for being a complete fuckhead?

1. Experience pays - no one can really teach you how retarded other drivers are - and how to handle retarded situations
2. Know how to handle the car in all conditions - including when its out of control
3. Teach kids how dangerous cars can be, make sure they are held responsible and accountable for their actions - news/media/Police can't show you this - in this day and age where kids play video games and kill each other with no remorse, some shocking pictures on the news means shit all. Driving should not be "scary".
4. Driver confidence NEEDS to be evaluated. Unconfident drivers should be banned or be forced to return to their learners. Over confident drivers need to be woken up and shown they are not invincible.

Maybe some contradictory points there... but food for thought nevertheless

Experience doesn't teach you that either Ash - Unless you are a demolition derby driver,
nobody has experience avoiding accidents - Defensive driver courses teach you the very
basics of emergency braking, avoiding obstacles, and just generally how to be a bit
safer. I used to help out with a defensive driving course, and some of the things they
teach are very helpful. If nothing else, they teach kids that shit can jump out of nowhere
and give them a basic small chance of avoiding them.

[hawkiiie]

F_CK Y__, on 22 June 2010 - 08:02 PM, said:

Ray, on 22 June 2010 - 11:50 AM, said:

14nce, on 22 June 2010 - 10:40 AM, said:

Ray, on 22 June 2010 - 10:33 AM, said:

Ensure P Platers cannot own a car older then 5 years old

the thing with that is not everyone can afford a car under 5 yrs old, unless the government was to subsidise cars for p platers it can never happen. Then at the same time what if the parent/sibling/friend owns the car and the p plater just drives it?

When I was a P plater I could afford a 2 year old AU Falcon

Get a fucken job or dont get a car. Simple.



Or Drive this : http://www.liveleak....=aad_1277121547

Can't agree with you there Ray - Most kids couldn't afford a newer car.

And what about kids going to uni? They have to get there and they usually
have shitty jobs like Maccas on the side to pay the bills. Newer cars are
just not an option.

How about zero tolerance for "P" platers - You get caught once and you are
walking - That is a pretty good incentive to slow down and know and follow
the rules

While we are at it, make a zero tolerance rule for people who are repeat
offenders too

brain in saying that a zero tolerance rule there needs to be some limitations or else cops will just thrive on 1km an hour overs and shit i have experienced how shit cops are to p platers already they dont need an incentive to take away license's licenses are ofter lively hoods i know i find it hard to work when i live 20 minutes from the nearest train and have no bus's running in the area

never been booked speeding but lost my license for my p plate falling down

[AsterisK]

F_CK Y__, on 22 June 2010 - 08:05 PM, said:

AsterisK, on 22 June 2010 - 03:19 PM, said:

ECS, ABS, blah. These don't teach you shit.

Don't blame the car. Blame the driver.

If I had of rolled my Daihatsu Charade when I was 18, doing say 120km on a suburban street, would you blame the car for my death? Or me for being a complete fuckhead?

1. Experience pays - no one can really teach you how retarded other drivers are - and how to handle retarded situations
2. Know how to handle the car in all conditions - including when its out of control
3. Teach kids how dangerous cars can be, make sure they are held responsible and accountable for their actions - news/media/Police can't show you this - in this day and age where kids play video games and kill each other with no remorse, some shocking pictures on the news means shit all. Driving should not be "scary".
4. Driver confidence NEEDS to be evaluated. Unconfident drivers should be banned or be forced to return to their learners. Over confident drivers need to be woken up and shown they are not invincible.

Maybe some contradictory points there... but food for thought nevertheless

Experience doesn't teach you that either Ash - Unless you are a demolition derby driver,
nobody has experience avoiding accidents - Defensive driver courses teach you the very
basics of emergency braking, avoiding obstacles, and just generally how to be a bit
safer. I used to help out with a defensive driving course, and some of the things they
teach are very helpful. If nothing else, they teach kids that shit can jump out of nowhere
and give them a basic small chance of avoiding them.

#2 of my post was sort of meant to say advanced driver training. but I still don't think that's enough. alot of people treat advanced driver training as a bit of fun. advanced driver training also does not instill any danger into the driver unlike a crash. it's not until you've had your first bingle or scared the absolute shit out of yourself that you start to realise little things like this and have some appreciation of the monster you're playing with. an open, wet piece of cement, does not make your heart leap out of your chest, like your car sliding sideways and doing a 360 in the middle of a 3 lane wide main road, or the feeling you get when you slam on the brakes too late and almost run up someones ass.

it takes experience to develop road ettiquette - regardless of what the rules are, etiquette plays a big part in road safety.

it takes experience to learn how to look 5 cars ahead of you and be proactive about what might happen next. my driving instructor when I was 17 tried to teach me to "look ahead"... i had no fucking idea what he was talking about.

a few very small lessons that can change everything. you could be 100% right in advanced driver training teaching kids these lessons, in my experience, it was something i experienced and learnt on my own.

[Frax]

im driving trucks and machinery through town all the time and from my experiance theres just as many people on their opens that are fucking stupid in a car as p-platers.

[Streetcruising Brian]

Hawkiie - I didn't mean zero tolerance as in 1km over the limit you get booked
I meant zero tolerance as in if you get booked doing 11km over the limit, you lose
your license instantly.

Ash - There is no way it teaches you completely, but it definitely gives you the
basics and teaches you how easily things can go wrong, and gives you a very basic
knowledge of how to avoid situations

[RockRoyalty]

AsterisK, on 22 June 2010 - 08:40 AM, said:

RockRoyalty, on 21 June 2010 - 05:59 PM, said:

I like the initiative... its good... why should you stick to V6 when you can learn how to drive better and do it with a V8

ummm. what the fuck does owning a v6 versus a v8 have to do with learning to drive? sure, you learn to handle more power, but that has nothing to do with the issue at hand. learning how to handle an out of control car is far more important then being able to handle the supposed "power" of a V8 that you're thinking of.

lets face it - most of the "banned" cars for p-platers couldn't tear the skin off 3 week old custard

you misunderstood my post... what I meant was that by going to these courses you learn to drive better (regardless of the # of cylinders), and you can learn how to drive on a V8 instead of having to change cars from v6 to a v8 and lose money in the process, or buy a car you dont really like just because you have a rule that says nothing over a V6